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10K views 22 replies 7 participants last post by  mps711  
#1 ·
Hi

I was looking at the Meta DefComT, it's a plug and play option for the DUKE 790 and probably many bikes as they have this universal plug under the seat or at least I am lead to believe that.

KTM do offer this alarm specifically for the DUKE790 - 60112035000 £250-£300

You can buy the alarm for £110 and the reed switch for £20, so what's the catch?
There's even a fitting kit that comes with the reed switch for £45 - 64112938044

£130 vs £250+
 
#5 ·
In the EU there are obligations regarding stock/replacement/repairs etc on OEM parts.

Some mfrs seem to take this VERY seriously and others can be a bit more "Hap hazard". Oddly some of KTM's parts are remarkably cheap. Others do seem to be expensive - and my guess it's to cover long term stocking costs or pay for extended production runs of "obsolete" stuff from suppliers. Saw an interesting Video yesterday on why "Fluke" multimeters cost so much more - similar reasoning.
 
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#8 ·
I fitted the meta alarm to my 790 and most recently last week to my 890 Duke, I went for the cheaper option and bought the alarm from the ebay seller for £110 and the fitting kit from KTM, it plugs straight in to the plug under the KTM seat and works perfectly along with the reed switch that comes in the KTM kit.

The only issue I have is that it doesn't light up the LED on the dash, the 790 Duke didn't either, which does make altering any settings in the alarm a bit difficult and doesn't give any indication that the alarm is set, I presume if you buy the alarm from KTM it doesn't flash the dash LED either?

The alarm does come with a separate LED, I assume the Abacus instructions show how to wire this into the KTM plug?
 
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#9 ·
mps711 said:
The alarm does come with a separate LED, I assume the Abacus instructions show how to wire this into the KTM plug?
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This is the Meta loom NOT the KTM loom which has different colours. Locate the equivalent of the White wire and cut it( the LED won't work if you simply tap it). Connect the Black/Red wire to this and cover with heat shrink. The solid black LED wire needs an unswitched earth- I connected it to the battery.
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#15 ·
Hi,

Connected it up this afternoon, the LED works perfectly, just need to find a location to mount it, I've got a new tail tidy coming this week, so can't really drill any holes until that's fitted.

One thing I did realise now I have an LED is that the alarm is passively arming, however what I don't quite understand is that even when it is passively armed and the LED is flashing you can still start the bike and with the engine running the LED still flashes.

Have you noticed this with yours?
 
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#16 ·
Hi mps711, nothing like that with mine. Sounds like a problem with the immobiliser circuit. The wires in the Meta loom for this circuit are DARK BLUE and GREY - don't know what the KTM colours are, but they are immediately adjacent to the white wire, to the left as you're looking at the back of the plug. The light blue wires to the right are the Direction Indicators....
Good luck
Rob
 
#19 ·
So today I managed to fit this alarm along with the KTM fitting kit, which is basically the metal plate.

I could only pair one remote.
When I press button A on the working report = 1 indicator flash, no beep. Then it seems like the tilt function is disabled, I can move the bike without the alarm going off but if I put the ignition to on the alarm will go off.

I need to wire up the LED to the KTM loom, has anyone done this successfully with some clear pictures? The information above is for the Meta loom. I guess 4th wire across the top where the latch it, cut and solder.

Anyone have any idea?
 
#20 ·
Hello good afternoon,
I took my original alarm ktm 60112035000 from my duke 390 2020 and the alarm worked normally, as defined, when activating, it blinked 4 blinks and gave a sound, when deactivating it blinked 4 blinks and gave a sound.
When active, the tft display would flash a red light. If you put the key and turn it to ON, the motorbike had the current cut by the alarm, if the alarm is deactivated, the motorbike was immediately with current and ready to start.

When I stopped the motorcycle, the alarm light on the tft always flashed once.

I just bought a duke 890 2022 and put the alarm on, and it has the same problem described here in the posts.

When activating with the command, the 4 blinks and beeps, only the red light on the tft does not blink, saying that the alarm is active. If you put the key in on, the bike always has current, ready to work, the difference between the duke 390 is that it doesn't cut the current to the engine.

When deactivating with the remote control, all 4 flashers flash and beep.

The difference is that it does not signal the alarm status in the tft and does not cut the current to the motor when active. I believe that the problem is the bike's software, as both the 790 and 890 have the same problems, being an original alarm for the bike, everything was working normally.
 
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#21 ·
I cannot talk about the 390 Duke, but my understanding of the 790 & 890 Duke is that they do not use the immobiliser built in to the plug in alarm, the bike already has an immobilser system which works based on the proximity of the ignition key, therefore if you put the key in the ignition of a 790 or 890 Duke you will turn off the immobiliser and allow the bike to start.

Neither of my 790 or 890 Dukes have had a flashing LED on the display, which is a bit annoying, on my 890 I have connected up the LED that came with the alarm, so at least I can now see when the alarm is armed.
 
#22 ·
I was told that without reprogramming this alarm isn't doing much. Passive arming of the immobiliser is basically its function until you have it "remapped" it. All mine would do was sound the alarm when the ignition was turned on. I could move and rock the bike and it didn't go off.
You can remove passive arming altogether, have passive arming enable tilt/knock functions or have passive turn off and all the functions enabled via the press of a button but those options seem to require reprogramming, PRG007 is what people seem to use.
The only time I could get the alarm to sound when moving the bike was to press the panic button and then turn off the alarm via the smaller button, at that point the alarm would beep once and the tilt sensor was active/enabled.
 
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#23 ·
Unless you have connected up the LED so you can see when the alarm is armed, when you think you are arming the alarm you are probably actually disarming it, which is why you can move the bike without setting the siren off.

When you arm the alarm the indicators flash twice, and flash once when you disarm it, so you can tell whether you are turning it on or off. The one setting you can change on the alarm without the programmer is to turn on the beeps when you arm and disarm it, which helps to tell whether the alarm is being armed or not.
 
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