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I'm doing it every 500 miles (800 km). Too frequently?
 

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Clean - every 300-400kms
Lube - every 1000-1200kms

Assuming dry riding only and no excess road grime.
 

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Every few weeks. Not religiously, but looking to see that it is nice a lubed. contributing to a smooth, quiet ride. Also riding mainly dry.
 
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Ok. I lube my chain after every ride. I use the spray on wax type lube (Maxima chain wax) so it doesn't leave a mess.
 

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Now call me old fashioned -
I check it at least once a week. Usually Sunday just before lunch and after the aperitif.
I clean it if it looks grubby. And always lube it after cleaning.
 

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Depends on the conditions you ride too. If its dusty or dirty or rain, then you have to clean it more often.
 

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So then - I have experienced the CZ chain squeal. And it really squealed. Monday I took the bike to work (I have a really badly damaged tyre on the car and I am a week from having new rubber)

A huge 26km commute. Left home fine - but when I got there there was a definite squeal on overrun. Had no lube at work - so had to ride home hearing it get worse (even more worse because I forgot to put earplugs in). But noticeably worse on overrun - not so bad with clutch pulled in and less still accelerating.

Had a good look. It was clean, properly adjusted and with some lube. Though I will admit not VERY lubed.
Gave it a good blasting all over with WD40 Chain Lube. And left it. Took the big Triumph to work today.
Had a look just now and have given it another load of WD40 Dry Climate formula, especially on the rollers which looked a bit dry still. It's now making that sucky syrupy sound.

Will see how it is tomorrow. It'll fling some off for sure.

But if it even murmurs - It's DID time.
 

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I don't understand the point of cleaning the chain. It won't protect the pins that carry the load - those are "life-time" lubed with grease and sealed by O-rings. It may protect the sprockets and rollers slightly if the build-up of grit is so severe that it can't get pushed to the side easily, but I've never seen anything that bad in many years of pavement riding. To clean the grit from the O-rings you need a fine brush and solvent, which may do more damage than protection. I lubricate the chain every 300 - 500 km to extend the life of the sprockets, knowing that the main wear point is internal and not reached by the lubricant.
 

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For the type of riding I do, around 500-600 km is the average lube interval with actual cleaning a lot longer depending on the chain lube I have to hand. I prefer the dry lube teflon-based types simply because the chain stays cleaner than the stickier types which tend to attract fine grit. With dry lubricants, I've found Dupont Chain Saver to be good although not as good as their earlier Multi-Use Teflon which was withdrawn for some unknown reason. If I can find it, Tirox Synthetic Chain Wax lasts really well and keeps the chain clean. A proper clean maybe every 2000-3000 km.

I had a Scottoiler on my Blackbird and sold the bike with over 50,000 km on the OEM chain. The downside was that it was nigh on impossible to keep the back end of the bike clean from oil fling, no matter how carefully I adjusted it.
 

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Chain cleaned(Kerosene) and lubed(Motorex road) at every bike wash, which averages about 500/600km. Lubed only at in between washes after rain/dust conditions. Not heavily lubed...just enough on the inside of pre-warmed chain to lubricate contact with sprockets and seals No issues so far at about 7000km.
 

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Chain cleaned(Kerosene) and lubed(Motorex road) at every bike wash, which averages about 500/600km. Lubed only at in between washes after rain/dust conditions. Not heavily lubed...just enough on the inside of pre-warmed chain to lubricate contact with sprockets and seals No issues so far at about 7000km.
Interesting. How much spin off do you get? I would venture to say most people over lube their chain. I know I do.
 

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Well from this weeks experience - A hell of a lot of the squeal is from the outer rollers on the sprockets. OK I know I over lubed this week.
Chain Lube basically should not be doing much for the inner of the rollers with a sealed O-ring chain. And unless the o-rings are really SHRIEKING there should not be any plate to plate contact.
I think I will re-investigate an oiler.
 

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Interesting. How much spin off do you get? I would venture to say most people over lube their chain. I know I do.
Not much. Normally get a fine mist type of droplets on left side of rear rim after first ride the next day, which I wipe down. All good after. My rims get more dirty from road gunk than chain splatter.
I tend to lube it towards the afternoon/evening and leave bike on paddock stand in the garage, occasionally turning wheel when I walk past. It seems to help with spread and gets tacky overnight.
Also, I use lemon Pledge on wheels(bike) after wash...helps wipe down after, with same.
 

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Well from this weeks experience - A hell of a lot of the squeal is from the outer rollers on the sprockets. OK I know I over lubed this week.
Chain Lube basically should not be doing much for the inner of the rollers with a sealed O-ring chain. And unless the o-rings are really SHRIEKING there should not be any plate to plate contact.
I think I will re-investigate an oiler.
I aim to get lube on the seals to help counter drying/brittling and lubricate seal outer contact with plates. Also aim to lube roller/sprocket contact to help dissipate heat/reduce wear. Oilers work even better(constant oil feed/less break-down/more heat dissipation/less wear), but unfortunately with more fling-off. Just depends which way you want to compromise.
 

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I aim to get lube on the seals to help counter drying/brittling and lubricate seal outer contact with plates. Also aim to lube roller/sprocket contact to help dissipate heat/reduce wear. Oilers work even better(constant oil feed/less break-down/more heat dissipation/less wear), but unfortunately with more fling-off. Just depends which way you want to compromise.
Yup that's what been building up in my mind. And I think with a bit of thought I can get the fling down.

Tomorrow I want to do some scribbling and maths on oiling. We all have odd hobbies!.

I like the concept of the Cobrra. And I think we have a bit of an advantage on the 790/890 for positioning. I want to have a CLOSE look (I'll need my close up glasses to have a look at the sliders on the swing arm.
 

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I have two friends w/ Zeros and both have snapped a belt and needed a tow.
Then Zero are using an undersized belt. And given their HIGH initial torque this would be easy to do.
The sporty beemers use belts and I had a 1997 Buell (100bhp) and that was fine. Later Buells had a thinner belt and they were not as robust.
And chains break too. I have even had a shaft drive shear.
 
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