[Pgm]

So when do we recon a base 890 will be available?
id be surprised if it didn’t happen.

 

[Superscalpel]

May be call it 790

 

[Pgm]

May be call it 790

Oh yeah ok then.

 

[J D]

May be call it 790

That makes sense, if you don’t think about it..

 

[Superscalpel]

Oh yeah ok then.

sorry pgm, I was not trying to be smart. Just came out that way. Ktm either kill 790 and makes 890 base with basic suspension brakes and same engine ( better for mfg to keep cost down) or keep making 790 and 890R no price point in between

 

[YoungLion]

I'm totally okay with KTM keeping both bikes in the lineup as they are both awesome for their intended purposes BUT, I think KTM reeeeeeeally messed up with the price point for them.

Here in Canada for 2020 the MSRP is $11,599 and $12,599 for the 890R - they lowered the asking price of the 790 from $11,999 from 2019.

IMO the 890R should be somewhere close to the price difference in the 790 and 1290 based on the performance spec. Dealers seem to agree with me and the two I spoke to are quite pissed KTM didn't add at minimum $1000 to the MSRP of the 890.

I thought it would be, and still should be:

790 - $11,599
890R - $13,999 (plus Tech pack add on of course or say $14,699 if it's included)
1290 SDR - $19,999 (here it's $550 for the track pack add on I believe)

To have only a $1000 difference in the 790 and 890 is crazy given just the braking upgrade alone is WAY over $1000.

 

[Lonster]

Those of us that have purchased the new 890 Duke R are VERY happy with the MSRP that KTM put on the bike. Sounds like sour grapes if you think we should be charged more just because you already bought a 790? Maybe you should have negotiated better originally, or waited for the 790 price drop?

 

[YoungLion]

Those of us that have purchased the new 890 Duke R are VERY happy with the MSRP that KTM put on the bike. Sounds like sour grapes if you think we should be charged more just because you already bought a 790? Maybe you should have negotiated better originally, or waited for the 790 price drop?

#1. Who says I haven't already purchased an 890R?
#2. I did wait for a price drop on the 790 - it was $11,999 and I got mine for $10,599 ($8,000USD) and the $195 doc fee removed - very happy with that.

My point stands - silly pricing on KTM's part on the 890R - it's priced less than their own 690 SMC R sumo bike - how is a single cylinder bike with no bodywork, a 10 year old engine design, and a more basic electronics package priced more than the new 890R?

 

[Pgm]

Those of us that have purchased the new 890 Duke R are VERY happy with the MSRP that KTM put on the bike. Sounds like sour grapes if you think we should be charged more just because you already bought a 790? Maybe you should have negotiated better originally, or waited for the 790 price drop?

I’m Not too bothered about having an 890r, if a base 890 was released I would think most of the bits of my 790 would transfer over and I’d have a better bike than the r.
i actually think my 790 other than the few hp is a better bike as it stands now anyway.

 

[Blwnbyu]

I would not have bought an 890R if if were closer in price to a 1290. The only thing KTM should change is add the TECH pack into the MSRP on the 890R, which will in fact, spread it further from the 790. Without the tech pack, the bike is incomplete, so it seems Younglion's reasoning is off, otherwise they wouldn't have priced them this way and made you buy the tech pack on top of MSRP

 

[J D]

Sounds like sour grapes if you think we should be charged more just because you already bought a 790? Maybe you should have negotiated better originally, or waited for the 790 price drop?

No one is suggesting that.
Negotiating on the 790 revolves around factory to dealer incentives, as there is only around $500- profit built into msrp, (if I’m correct). The incredible deals that the people who waited, received, was due to rebates/incentives.

Due to the demand of the 890’s, and limited release, I’m sure dlrs will have little problem holding gross on these vs the 790’s.

 

[Stephano]

#1. Who says I haven't already purchased an 890R?
#2. I did wait for a price drop on the 790 - it was $11,999 and I got mine for $10,599 ($8,000USD) and the $195 doc fee removed - very happy with that.

My point stands - silly pricing on KTM's part on the 890R - it's priced less than their own 690 SMC R sumo bike - how is a single cylinder bike with no bodywork, a 10 year old engine design, and a more basic electronics package priced more than the new 890R?

Perhaps its China vs Austria ( the 690 )

 

[Superscalpel]

890 made in Austria, except for some 790 owners who insist the 890s are made in China

 

[mjg15]

No one is suggesting that.
Negotiating on the 790 revolves around factory to dealer incentives, as there is only around $500- profit built into msrp, (if I’m correct). The incredible deals that the people who waited, received, was due to rebates/incentives.

Due to the demand of the 890’s, and limited release, I’m sure dlrs will have little problem holding gross on these vs the 790’s.

There's usually about 15-17% margin on new bikes, so dealer is cost is probably a little under $10000 on a 790

 

[J D]

There's usually about 15-17% margin on new bikes, so dealer is cost is probably a little under $10000 on a 790

Where dId you come up with 15-17%? That’s a pipe dream.

I worked in moto dealerships for 5 summers. Most mfrs were near 10%, and I worked in multi-shingled dealerships, and saw the margins in print.
The discounts are almost all from Factory to Dealer incentives.

 

[Nevada Bob]

Most mfrs were near 10%

I've spent 8 years at a Ducati store - same experience.

New bike margins (cars, too) are pretty slim.

 

[J D]

I've spent 8 years at a Ducati store - same experience.

New bike margins (cars, too) are pretty slim.

I worked at a duc dlr as well, they had some of the better margins as I recall, and due to brand recognition, less room to negotiate.

You are right on about cars, super-slim margins, rebates, (fac-dlr incentives), are everything.

 

[Van]

 

[J D]

Nice find!

 

[colombo]

There goes our 790 resale values 😥. I know it's not KTM's fault. I see other manufacturers upping the CCs to compensate for EURO5, I get it, but still pisses me off 🤬